MEN'S USSSA CLASS E STATE & NATIONAL QUALIFIER"WORTH MAYHEIM " BAT TOURNAMENT

[Kolping Park]

This Saturday April 22, we are holding a Men's USSSA Class E State & National Qualifier. The winning team recieves a State & National Birth plus a set of 13 "WORTH MAYHEIM" Bats. Based on 10 teams

Entry fee= $195.00

Format to be determined.

Entry deadline is Thursday, April 20

Call the Park office today(513)851-5657 to sign up.

[eruss35]

Dynamic will be there

[eruss35]

Who all will be there.

[iplayeball]

isn't there a world touny at expressway this weekend?

[EXP23]

isn't there a world touny at expressway this weekend?
Saturday. To enter call 831-2273.

[cbn1000]

expressway is 500 bux to the winner

[EXP23]

Who all will be there.
Clarion Hotels/Express will be there.

[eruss35]

Clarion Hotels/Express will be there.

See ya there.

[EXP23]

Who else is in this?

[Kolping Park]

Their are 16 teams in the tournament. Format is 2 & out. Upperbracket has:
669 Mafia vs. Tredway/Blazers 9am
GT Swarm vs. Dynamic Softball 9am
Ford Development vs. Cardinals 9am
Team Ruckus vs. Clarion Hotel 10am
Lower Bracket has:
Sibcy Cline vs. Big Guns 10am
Advanced Transportation vs. Groesbeck Tavern 10am
Watson's vs. Local 212 Red 11am
Bayes & Son's/Kodiaks vs. Team Envy 11am

Good Luck to everybody.

[bigdog513]

Correct me if i am wrong but I thought you had to be a E team to play in this tourny GT SWARM plays in a C league at expressway so my question is what are they????????

[cbn1000]

sanctioned E just like last year. didnt win it and didnt think they were the team to beat. If you think wed at expressway is C thats the biggest joke Ive heard only two good team in it and they are both sanctioned D

[rknagle]

sanctioned E just like last year. didnt win it and didnt think they were the team to beat. If you think wed at expressway is C thats the biggest joke Ive heard only two good team in it and they are both sanctioned D

How did the tourney go???

[Kolping Park]

Team Ford Development came out of the losers bracket to double dip Team Envy to win the bat tournament. Congratulations to Ford Development & thanks to all you played in the tournament.

[bigdog513]

Hey cbn1000 thank's for the reply,that helps clear it up a little bit.But on the flip side of that coin it hurts a power team to play down like that and if you look around at your team you guys have some quality power hitters and it hurts you guys to have to hold them back with 0/hr in a E tourny I think this bat tourny should have showed you that!!

[EXP23]

sanctioned E just like last year. didnt win it and didnt think they were the team to beat. If you think wed at expressway is C thats the biggest joke Ive heard only two good team in it and they are both sanctioned D
What level you play in league has no bearing on your sanction. Most teams play up for better competition. We are an E team but haven't played an E league for about seven years.

[SHELL 27]

We found that out this week-end when a team that plays in a Kolping league in the C/D was allowed to play. When we entered the tournament we received the third degree about a sanction card! Meanwhile the “Park Director” hosting the tournament will allow a team which plays at his park, in his own C/D league, to play!!!! Never again at KOLPING!!!!! We have played there twice this year and have hosed both times. Once because an umpire didn’t know the rules and let a fellow umpire on the other team’s bench, make the call. They just happened to be cousins! I understand “take care of your own” but, don’t set tournaments!!!!! I will pay a $5 dollar gate fee to play in a well ran park.
Expressway and Queen City you’ll be seeing us for the rest of the year!!!! Good job Kevin, keep sticking it to all of us. That’s why there is no competition in your park! Its great place for beginners, that why you’re there!!!!!!!!

[EXP23]

We found that out this week-end when a team that plays in a Kolping league in the C/D was allowed to play. When we entered the tournament we received the third degree about a sanction card! Meanwhile the “Park Director” hosting the tournament will allow a team which plays at his park, in his own C/D league, to play!!!! Never again at KOLPING!!!!! We have played there twice this year and have hosed both times. Once because an umpire didn’t know the rules and let a fellow umpire on the other team’s bench, make the call. They just happened to be cousins! I understand “take care of your own” but, don’t set tournaments!!!!! I will pay a $5 dollar gate fee to play in a well ran park.
Expressway and Queen City you’ll be seeing us for the rest of the year!!!! Good job Kevin, keep sticking it to all of us. That’s why there is no competition in your park! Its great place for beginners, that why you’re there!!!!!!!!
What is the name of the team you are referring to and how did they finish? We went 1-2 and I really didn't feel the tournament was stacked. Ford Development was good but beatable, just one of those teams you have to hit with. We were missing 4 starters and we still should won both games we lost.
Besides, if you are going to world, I have news for you, those teams are nothing compared to what you will see there.

[eruss35]

We found that out this week-end when a team that plays in a Kolping league in the C/D was allowed to play. When we entered the tournament we received the third degree about a sanction card! Meanwhile the “Park Director” hosting the tournament will allow a team which plays at his park, in his own C/D league, to play!!!! Never again at KOLPING!!!!! We have played there twice this year and have hosed both times. Once because an umpire didn’t know the rules and let a fellow umpire on the other team’s bench, make the call. They just happened to be cousins! I understand “take care of your own” but, don’t set tournaments!!!!! I will pay a $5 dollar gate fee to play in a well ran park.
Expressway and Queen City you’ll be seeing us for the rest of the year!!!! Good job Kevin, keep sticking it to all of us. That’s why there is no competition in your park! Its great place for beginners, that why you’re there!!!!!!!!

Our team does not play at Kolping in leagues and I think the tournament was ran great. Kevin is one hell of a guy. As for not playing at his park anymore thats your problem. Oh the beginners comment you made, it is funny that you are pissed because a bunch of beginners beat that a$$. I bet you play for Watson's if not let us know.

[SHELL 27]

I’m not saying the tournament was stacked. But don’t give my team crap about the rules and sanction card procedures and allow the upper teams from your personal park play. We finished 2-2 and we should have won the games we lost. We were told by the USSSA Cincinnati Director that your park director sets your sanction level. What would Kevin section Watanabe? EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How can you be an E team for seven years? Do you play for Kevin? You would think in seven years you would have gotten a little better.

[SHELL 27]

Eruss35
Not pissed about losing just pissed about the hassle we received. But, you’re funny. We weren’t impressed by you guys. Were not teaming Watson’s. Your entire team watched our first game with your nads in your throat, when we won our first game in about twenty min., running a five man. A lot of E teams have full uniforms and bats bags.

[rknagle]

What is the name of the team you are referring to and how did they finish? We went 1-2 and I really didn't feel the tournament was stacked. Ford Development was good but beatable, just one of those teams you have to hit with. We were missing 4 starters and we still should won both games we lost.
Besides, if you are going to world, I have news for you, those teams are nothing compared to what you will see there.

I know a few of the Ford Development guys and they are solid.

As far as this tourney though....I dont think the Berths were the reason the teams played!!! Can you say BATS!!!

[middle11]

SHELL 27, I unfortunately didn't get to watch your first game, nads or no nads, but can you let me in on what team you play for? Just curious.

[ucrob13]

I thank it was a good tournament i didnt thank there was any team c teams in it. we went 2-2 should of done better but we didnt win thats the way it goes

Sibcy Cline/bw3 colerain

[eruss35]

Shell tell us who you play for. We was not out to impress. We have proven our point already. Dont even know who you are. Who were we watching. Just let me know what team you play for. Either you are to scared to put your team name on here or we already beat that a$$.

[umfanec]

blah, blah, blah, blah............Anytime you have a prize such as bats, big money, etc. you are going to have teams dropping down just to win. It is going to happen so just go out and play your game, then when you beat the upper teams cause they can't keep it in the park you can rub it in their face. Quit bitching and play ball is all I can say.

As for playing E for seven years, it has taken us that long to get rid of all the head cases on the team and pick up some real players. We have a new Asst. Manager this year, and if I don't say so myself he is doing a hell of job. But our team runs the manager not the manager running the team. HaHa EXP23!!!!

[EXP23]

As for playing E for seven years, it has taken us that long to get rid of all the head cases on the team and pick up some real players. We have a new Asst. Manager this year, and if I don't say so myself he is doing a hell of job. But our team runs the manager not the manager running the team. HaHa EXP23!!!!
He has us confused with someone else umfanec. We have never played league at Kolping.

[eruss35]

Exp23, shell will never tell us who he played for. Hope to see you guys on the field this year. Good luck the rest of the way.

[BROX]

[QUOTE=umfanec] As for playing E for seven years, it has taken us that long to get rid of all the head cases on the team
You had better get rid of me than!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[djcasper]

[QUOTE=umfanec] As for playing E for seven years, it has taken us that long to get rid of all the head cases on the team
You had better get rid of me than!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep...you are a headcase.:)

[Kodiak]

My team (Bayes & Sons / KODIAKS) plays at kolping alot...... we knew going into this tourney there would be quite a few teams that would drop down at the prospect of winning bats. Anyone that expects otherwise is kidding themselves. We would have had a better chance had we had our entire team there, had to pick up 4 guys :(, but I digress. Don't blame Kevin or insinuate that he doesn't know what he is doing. He has always ran good tournaments as well as leagues and knows what he is doing. I'm not sure why he would let one of his c/d teams join, but I am sure he had a reason. Maybe they don't play that well and he knows that. Maybe he had to in order to fill up the tourney and make it possible to recover the cost of the bats for the tourney. My main point is we all expected teams to drop down and get into the tourney, but I didnt see any unbeatable teams. The only negative I saw from the tourney was Kevin and Kelly and ALL OF KEVINS FAMILY wearing Watson's shirts........ And rest assured Kevin I won't let you live THAT one down. That's my 2 cents. and that's about all it is worth.

Jack

[EXP23]

Exp23, shell will never tell us who he played for. Hope to see you guys on the field this year. Good luck the rest of the way.
I am sure we will see you guys. Good luck to you as well.

[bigdog513]

Hey I think we all know that there are way to many teams that play in a E league or D league that don't belong and there can be so many differnt reasons we could talk about it all day but the biggest one out there is PRIDE alot of teams fell that if they don't win 90% or more of there games "'there not the team to beat"" so that is how some teams justify what they do. But hey let's all look on the bright side there are now more than ever more E teams out there that can take it to a C or D team's than ever and so on and so on!!

btk

[cbn1000]

Hey I think we all know that there are way to many teams that play in a E league or D league that don't belong and there can be so many differnt reasons we could talk about it all day but the biggest one out there is PRIDE alot of teams fell that if they don't win 90% or more of there games "'there not the team to beat"" so that is how some teams justify what they do. But hey let's all look on the bright side there are now more than ever more E teams out there that can take it to a C or D team's than ever and so on and so on!!

btk
whats the name of your Cteam

[bigdog513]

BIG'S SWANSON'S PLUMBING/#69 UNION PIPE LAYERS

[cbn1000]

never heard of you and I am a pipe layer with a big swanse

also isnt btk a serial killer

[bigdog513]

Well that's a good thing,hope you are registered with the union

[cbn1000]

dude at least give your real team name and who you are you called out my team personally

As far as the tourney it seemed it was a good tourney the teams seemed very evenly matched. I actually thought there was no sandbaggers there i did see alot of hrs but they only hurt there own team.

[SHELL 27]

Exp23, shell will never tell us who he played for. Hope to see you guys on the field this year. Good luck the rest of the way.

You are correct. I will not tell you who I play for. My personal opinions may or may not reflect how my team feels. Yes, I was upset, we were told by Kevin, “You guys are no E team! I sick of complaints of team’s sand bagging here. Everyone MUST have a sanction card this weekend!” Then he let’s a team from his own park do it. If he really wanted to stop sand bagging @ KOLPING he should have started with teams from his own park? That’s the grip! I don’t care how good anyone’s E team is? Just run it right, just run it fair.

[middle11]

I'm still not sure I understand your "grip." What team did you consider a C team???? By the way we won't necessarily hold your opinions against your teamates. Honestly, I can't imagine what team you might have played for. I didn't think anyone was that out matched. By the way if Kevin told you that you guys weren't playing in it originally, then obviously you did some pleading. So my question is if you guys would have won, would you still be pissed at Kevin for letting YOUR team in it???

[EXP23]

I only know Kevin from tournaments but he is a class act. I didn't see any team that I would consider head and shoulders above everyone else. We will still play tournaments there.

[eruss35]

You are correct. I will not tell you who I play for. My personal opinions may or may not reflect how my team feels. Yes, I was upset, we were told by Kevin, “You guys are no E team! I sick of complaints of team’s sand bagging here. Everyone MUST have a sanction card this weekend!” Then he let’s a team from his own park do it. If he really wanted to stop sand bagging @ KOLPING he should have started with teams from his own park? That’s the grip! I don’t care how good anyone’s E team is? Just run it right, just run it fair.

What do you mean we are not an E team. We are sactioned E by Armco park. I think we made an impression on you cause you act like your pissed off we were there. Better get comfortable seeing us if you are playing E this year.

[Bu7ch]

What do you mean we are not an E team. We are sactioned E by Armco park. I think we made an impression on you cause you act like your pissed off we were there. Better get comfortable seeing us if you are playing E this year.


He doesn't say anywhere that you are or are not an E team. I think you've already assumed he's talking about your team when he's not said anything about a specific team (I know it's not yours).

[bigdog513]

cbn1000 I am sorry if you feel like i called out your team personally I just knew I had seen you at expressway playing C league and you were in a E tourny it just seemed a little unfair to the other teams but ""THEN""you sent a reply to my question and as for me calling anyone specific out that was not what I was trying to do it was a question and I got a answer so that's that on that subject.

[EXP23]

cbn1000 I am sorry if you feel like i called out your team personally I just knew I had seen you at expressway playing C league and you were in a E tourny it just seemed a little unfair to the other teams but ""THEN""you sent a reply to my question and as for me calling anyone specific out that was not what I was trying to do it was a question and I got a answer so that's that on that subject.
Once again, it doesn't matter what level you play in league. You are a pansy if you play an E league because most E league teams can't field routine fly balls. My team plays D league and are sanctioned E. If we played in the E league for league night we would be going home after four innings. A lot of E teams play in C leagues, get over it.

[bigdog513]

Once again, it doesn't matter what level you play in league. You are a pansy if you play an E league because most E league teams can't field routine fly balls. My team plays D league and are sanctioned E. If we played in the E league for league night we would be going home after four innings. A lot of E teams play in C leagues, get over it.


Well i guess you can't read then i said i understood what you guys were doing playing the upper league to get better then you open your fat mouth and say that most E teams can't field fly balls and that you are a pansy if you play E then you turn right around and say that you are santioned E so since you guys can hit and catch i guess that makes you a ""SANDBAGGING PANSEY""

[EXP23]

Well i guess you can't read then i said i understood what you guys were doing playing the upper league to get better then you open your fat mouth and say that most E teams can't field fly balls and that you are a pansy if you play E then you turn right around and say that you are santioned E so since you guys can hit and catch i guess that makes you a ""SANDBAGGING PANSEY""
Dude get your head checked! I am talking about E LEAGUES! You know, League Night? I have watched plenty league games while waiting to play, we are talking teams that are in E leagues, most of which never play tourneys, and the majority of them have mabey one or two decent players and the rest suck.

You have the wrong team if you are talking about my team. Apparently you have mistaken us with someone that played decent that day because we were 1-2 and the only game we won was in extra innings. As far as calling us sandbagging panseys, you don't have to say which team you are with because when we break it off in your team, you'll be the one crying.

[bigdog513]

It's so funny how people justify what they do. Yes i understand you play one thing league and the tourney you play E you play E so you don't have to face stiff comp but it don't normally work that away becouse there are people that do the same thing as you ""O let's drop down so we can win"" then you think that you are big and bad untill some E team breaks it off in you then you cry that you are not good enough to move up.So why don't ya stop running your jaws about the league you are santioned in if it stinks so bad weather it's league or tourney play the way the system is set up it should be the same teams playing in a E league should be in a E tourney not a bunch of sandbaggers that can compete at another level think about it this away when you feel like your team needs to drop down to win bats our whatever where do the REAL E TEAMS GO!! ""There is no F league""

[EXP23]

It's so funny how people justify what they do. Yes i understand you play one thing league and the tourney you play E you play E so you don't have to face stiff comp but it don't normally work that away becouse there are people that do the same thing as you ""O let's drop down so we can win"" then you think that you are big and bad untill some E team breaks it off in you then you cry that you are not good enough to move up.So why don't ya stop running your jaws about the league you are santioned in if it stinks so bad weather it's league or tourney play the way the system is set up it should be the same teams playing in a E league should be in a E tourney not a bunch of sandbaggers that can compete at another level think about it this away when you feel like your team needs to drop down to win bats our whatever where do the REAL E TEAMS GO!! ""There is no F league""
The team name is Clarion Hotel Express. Come see us if you got a problem. If not shut up. We play Monday night doubleheaders at Expressway.

[bigdog513]

Hey man I have know clue why you jumped in the middle of this, this was between me somebody else you jump in and say all kinds of off the wall crap! Trust me I am in no way arguing that you are not a E team I am pretty sure I would lose that argument if that was the case!! My comments were directed at a team with some talent! ''Sorry for the misunderstanding''

[EXP23]

My comments were directed at a team with some talent! ''Sorry for the misunderstanding''
If you are whinning that lead me to believe you have no talent. You know our teams name so let me know what you think of the talent level when after we beat you in 4 innings you are dropping tears in your beer in the concession area. NUFF SAID!

[SHELL 27]

I'm still not sure I understand your "grip." What team did you consider a C team???? By the way we won't necessarily hold your opinions against your teamates. Honestly, I can't imagine what team you might have played for. I didn't think anyone was that out matched. By the way if Kevin told you that you guys weren't playing in it originally, then obviously you did some pleading. So my question is if you guys would have won, would you still be pissed at Kevin for letting YOUR team in it???

Once again you are correct! You just don’t get the point. One more time for all the
“Teddy’s” out there…… Kevin has seen us play earlier this year. He feels that we are not an “E” team. Just like the team that has played “E” for seven years, we are also sanctioned “E.” Why are we sanctioned “E”? Because we play in an “E” LEAGUE!!!!! We were told by the Cincinnati USSSA director that the park that you play LEAGUES @ sanction your team by the level that you play during LEAGUES!!!!
No, we didn’t not “plead” to anyone, our sanction card spoke for us. The complaint is…….we are sanctioned “E”, we play in an “E” LEAGUE, so we should not have to be hassled about or sanction. We defiantly shouldn’t have to play a “C/D” team that plays league at the park hosting the tournament! When the “HEAD” umpire at KOLPING tells your coach, “they are a “C/D” team, and Kevin tells him to “shut his mouth,” that’s funny. WHAT A CLASS ACT GUY! Then when you protest after seeing the team name on his Monday night “C” league schedule, he tells you to leave the park or he’s calling the cops. We should have let him call the cops, and then he could have been arrested for robbing any team up there actually sanctioned “E”! We took the teams in questions sanction card number and looked it up. They are sanctioned “DDDDDD”!

[EXP23]

Once again you are correct! You just don’t get the point. One more time for all the
“Teddy’s” out there…… Kevin has seen us play earlier this year. He feels that we are not an “E” team. Just like the team that has played “E” for seven years, we are also sanctioned “E.” Why are we sanctioned “E”? Because we play in an “E” LEAGUE!!!!! We were told by the Cincinnati USSSA director that the park that you play LEAGUES @ sanction your team by the level that you play during LEAGUES!!!!
No, we didn’t not “plead” to anyone, our sanction card spoke for us. The complaint is…….we are sanctioned “E”, we play in an “E” LEAGUE, so we should not have to be hassled about or sanction. We defiantly shouldn’t have to play a “C/D” team that plays league at the park hosting the tournament! When the “HEAD” umpire at KOLPING tells your coach, “they are a “C/D” team, and Kevin tells him to “shut his mouth,” that’s funny. WHAT A CLASS ACT GUY! Then when you protest after seeing the team name on his Monday night “C” league schedule, he tells you to leave the park or he’s calling the cops. We should have let him call the cops, and then he could have been arrested for robbing any team up there actually sanctioned “E”! We took the teams in questions sanction card number and looked it up. They are sanctioned “DDDDDD”!
What is the name of the team sanctioned D? One question, when you play up a level in qualifiers you get double points, right? Do they get 1/2 points for playing down?

If they are sanctioned D and he let them in, he should refund the 195.00 to each team they beat.

[middle11]

Ok for the last time, SHELL 27, can you please tell me which team was the C team that played in the tournament??? If you can't even answer that question then there is no reason to waste time talking about the issue.

[SHELL 27]

Ok for the last time, SHELL 27, can you please tell me which team was the C team that played in the tournament??? If you can't even answer that question then there is no reason to waste time talking about the issue.

Local 110 or something was the team sanctioned "D"
Thanks EXP23 for understanding the way the sanction thing works!

[eruss35]

Local 110 or something was the team sanctioned "D"
Thanks EXP23 for understanding the way the sanction thing works!

I dont think they are D. We put them out before we played ford. They were not a bad team but I still think they play E.

[SHELL 27]

I dont think they are D. We put them out before we played ford. They were not a bad team but I still think they play E.

That is the issue…..it’s not about what everyone thinks. Not Kevin, you, or anyone! They are sanctioned “D”, according to USSSA! If they feel they need to play lower they should be in their park directors back side. Yes, I feel we should have beaten them too. That’s what I mean by “Run it right, Run it fair”!!!1

[EXP23]

You are supposed to play what you are sanctioned or higher. If the team in question is sanctioned D, I don't care how good or bad they are, they should not have been in it. The bottom line is it was an E tourney, in which only E teams are allowed. If anyone feels this in incorrect call Mark Linneman or read the U-trip rule book, that is why they sanction.

If this team wants to drop down there is a procedure to go about doing so. I am not sure but I think you have to play a couple NIT's and then appeal the sanction.

This still will not take care of the problem because all they have to do is enter a tourney and pay a sanction fee under a different name. A lot of teams sanction across the river in Kentucky because Ohio does things right as far as sanctioning teams for the most part. Wait until world and see how strict Ohio is compared to other states. I am speaking from experience.

[MstrBlaster44]

This has been alot of interesting reading! I'll put my 2 cents in for what its worth. Last year our team played at Kolping in the "D" District Tournament, We were sanctioned "D" But lost in a tie breaker to a USSSA "C" sanctioned team! Just like the previous post. If its a D tourney then no C,B,or A teams allowed!!!!! But Kolping let them in. So if in fact the 1 team was sanctioned "D" They should never be allowed in an "E" tournament. No matter how good or bad they are. If they wanna play in "E" tournaments they need to appeal an get re-sanctioned. These park directors need to pay more attention, If your running a tournament the 1st thing that needs to be done before the draw is to check the sanction cards. If they don't have a sanction card then you're kind of stuck. But it would stop a higher sanctioned team from getting into these tournaments.

[Larks]

We found that out this week-end when a team that plays in a Kolping league in the C/D was allowed to play. When we entered the tournament we received the third degree about a sanction card! Meanwhile the “Park Director” hosting the tournament will allow a team which plays at his park, in his own C/D league, to play!!!! Never again at KOLPING!!!!! We have played there twice this year and have hosed both times. Once because an umpire didn’t know the rules and let a fellow umpire on the other team’s bench, make the call. They just happened to be cousins! I understand “take care of your own” but, don’t set tournaments!!!!! I will pay a $5 dollar gate fee to play in a well ran park.
Expressway and Queen City you’ll be seeing us for the rest of the year!!!! Good job Kevin, keep sticking it to all of us. That’s why there is no competition in your park! Its great place for beginners, that why you’re there!!!!!!!!


My team plays A and B leagues Thursday nights but we are sanctioned C and play C tournaments. I think this is a lot more common than you think. we take our lumps but hopefully we'll be more prepared for the weekends.

If they were sanctioned E then thats what they are sanctioned and they should be allowed regardless of their leagues.

Believe me, I've seen plenty of B teams playing sanctioned C the last few years. Heck, most times you play an NIT out of town you are almost guaranteed to play a "B" team that their local director slotted C.

It happens.

Listen, Ive known Kevin for a long time and I know he is a fair guy. Maybe instead of ripping him here, give him a call and discuss your concerns man to man. 851.5657

[Kodiak]

My team plays A and B leagues Thursday nights but we are sanctioned C and play C tournaments. I think this is a lot more common than you think. we take our lumps but hopefully we'll be more prepared for the weekends.

If they were sanctioned E then thats what they are sanctioned and they should be allowed regardless of their leagues.

Believe me, I've seen plenty of B teams playing sanctioned C the last few years. Heck, most times you play an NIT out of town you are almost guaranteed to play a "B" team that their local director slotted C.

It happens.

Listen, Ive known Kevin for a long time and I know he is a fair guy. Maybe instead of ripping him here, give him a call and discuss your concerns man to man. 851.5657

well said larks.