USSSA state jumping?

[umfanec]

I have seen alot of posts on here about teams "jumping the river" year after year in order to not be bumped up. I would like to say first that I am not faulting any team that is doing or has done this, that is for them to decide. I also know that both states OH and KY have tried to put a stop to this but neither state could come to an agreement on how. So I purpose that each state make it a law that once you register in one state you have to stay registered in that state for 2, maybe 3 years before you can "jump the river" and register. Just wondering what everyone's thoughts are on this. Would it work, or not? Frankly I don't care what the team I am playing against is registered as, I want to beat them all.

[BackstabberSS]

Teams wouldn't jump the river if the bump up rules were consistant in both states. I personally would have no problem with a 2 or 3 year rule to stay in a state, but only if both states have the same rules. You can't start some dumb player list in one state and not the other. And you can't have the Top 4 from Nationals rule in one state and not the other (or any other state in the country for that matter!). Actually, the rules should be the same in every state not just Ohio and KY. But that would make too much sense. What am I thinking?

[Cowboy]

They don't have this problem in ASA....

Sorry Stabber I couldn't resist!!!!!!

UC I've been taking the UFreak Message Board correspondence courses...
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See it works!!!

[BackstabberSS]

They don't have this problem in ASA....

Sorry Stabber I couldn't resist!!!!!!

UC I've been taking the UFreak Message Board correspondence courses...
as seen on T.V.

They are really paying off!!!! Go gators!!!!

See it works!!!


Touche Cowboy. I agree, USSSA has issues with their rules, but somehow it keeps thriving.

[Deucecoupe]

There will be rules put into place before the start of next season that will stop all the river jumping and so on. This will not be an issue in 2008.

[BackstabberSS]

Does that mean that Ohio will have the same rules as Kentucky then? Top TWO from Nationals are a bump....etc etc

[Deucecoupe]

I do not believe that will be the case, the rule that you are talking about was put in place by 12 members of the Ohio board of directors not by any one person. I am sure that there were some members on that panel that do not agree with that rule, as for myself I do not like the rule, but that is just my opinion........

[UFreak]

They don't have this problem in ASA....

Sorry Stabber I couldn't resist!!!!!!

UC I've been taking the UFreak Message Board correspondence courses...
as seen on T.V.

They are really paying off!!!! Go gators!!!!

See it works!!!

Your check bounced!.....but if you keep promoting the gators like that, fuggit about it, "Grasshopper"!

[BackstabberSS]

Should be interesting to see how you guys plan on putting a stop to it...

[28SS]

It will never stop. Nobody wants to adhere to a set of rules. They want to do whatever they want, whenever they want. It's OK to bend the rules to suit your needs.

[BackstabberSS]

If the rules were the same in every state we'd have no choice. But that would make too much sense 28SS.

[EXP23]

If the rules were the same in every state we'd have no choice. But that would make too much sense 28SS.

Everyone knows that would make too much sense. There are always going to be flaws, look at the point system. When local teams go to world they are at a disadvantage on points because some teams start and get 3-4 tournaments in beginning in January. The first tourney we can get U-trip points without traveling isn't until March. That amounts to anywhere up to about a 7-8 tournament advantage in points southern teams have on local teams. But that is another problem.

No matter what the rules are people will not adhere to them but continue to find loopholes. Kinda like the saying rules were made to be broken. Well, they aren't being broken (in this case) but they sure are being bent to he!! and back.

[28SS]

If the rules were the same in every state we'd have no choice. But that would make too much sense 28SS.


It's a different state, so different rules apply. There are more teams in the Greater Cincinnati area alone than in the entire state of Kentucky. The rules cannot be the same because it comes down to a percentage. It's not an apples to apples comparison. 3% of 1000 is more than 3% of 100.

It really doesn't matter. Things are different in different places. The speed limit on I-75 changes depending where you are. The cost of a hamburger varies. It's not up to each individual to decide what is best for any organization. I believe that Mr. Linnemann mentioned your team because you are making a mockery of the system. If you ask your father for permission to do something & he says no, do you run & ask your mother? If so, your parents will get angry. The system is far from perfect. Maybe you aren't technically breaking any rules, but you are unapologetically going out of your way to bend them. Most teams/players have enough respect for the rules to play by them. It's a slap in the face to Mr. Linnemann. The Softball News exists because of his efforts & would not be published today if not for him. He is only human & I'm sure he's grown frustrated with the situation.
He chose to use HIS newspaper to make his feelings known. He had to mention your team because you are the most frequent "offender" of the topic of the article. You've outright defied the rules & he called you out on it. How would you feel in his shoes?

[dg21]

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[troy]

[QUOTE=EXP23;23873]Everyone knows that would make too much sense. There are always going to be flaws, look at the point system. When local teams go to world they are at a disadvantage on points because some teams start and get 3-4 tournaments in beginning in January. The first tourney we can get U-trip points without traveling isn't until March. That amounts to anywhere up to about a 7-8 tournament advantage in points southern teams have on local teams. But that is another problem.

That's why I suggested to Mark Linneman that our area should allow Qualifiers and NITs to be played in this area starting the week after the last World tourny . Rosters would be open like they are now for teams that want to merge or reorganize . Teams would have to submit a roster if they want to pick up players who played in a higher classification before Worlds . This would give the area parks a boost in attendance for tournys after World and allow area teams to gather points for the next season .

[BackstabberSS]

It's a different state, so different rules apply. There are more teams in the Greater Cincinnati area alone than in the entire state of Kentucky. The rules cannot be the same because it comes down to a percentage. It's not an apples to apples comparison. 3% of 1000 is more than 3% of 100.

It really doesn't matter. Things are different in different places. The speed limit on I-75 changes depending where you are. The cost of a hamburger varies. It's not up to each individual to decide what is best for any organization. I believe that Mr. Linnemann mentioned your team because you are making a mockery of the system. If you ask your father for permission to do something & he says no, do you run & ask your mother? If so, your parents will get angry. The system is far from perfect. Maybe you aren't technically breaking any rules, but you are unapologetically going out of your way to bend them. Most teams/players have enough respect for the rules to play by them. It's a slap in the face to Mr. Linnemann. The Softball News exists because of his efforts & would not be published today if not for him. He is only human & I'm sure he's grown frustrated with the situation.
He chose to use HIS newspaper to make his feelings known. He had to mention your team because you are the most frequent "offender" of the topic of the article. You've outright defied the rules & he called you out on it. How would you feel in his shoes?


That was one of the worst comparisons ever. The rules should be different because there are more teams in a particular area? What kind of backwardsville logic is that? Are the NCAA rules different in Florida than they are in Montana? I mean clearly there are many more schools in Florida than Montana.... Nice try. Actually, no, it wasn't. LOL!

[28SS]

You just don't get it. This IS NOT the NCAA. All season long, you're not playing the rest of the country. You're playing in your own backyard. There are more teams here than in most other parts of the country. The top 5 teams in our area is very comparable to the top 2 in smaller markets. The more teams there are, the more upper echelon teams there are. What are there, like 12 teams in Kentucky & like 11 of them are sanctioned D? (forgive my exaggeration). You can't move up that great a percentage of the teams.
I realize that you have strong feeling about this, but you cannot be so blind to the other side of the story. How is it possible that you do not understand? I get that you have not won anything & I don't necessarily think that you should be moved up. I have played against your team & saw you play probably 10 other times-I have yet to see you guys win a game. You had a successful run in an event & your move up was based on that finish. Is it fair to get bumped up for one good weekend? Probably not. You should however be proud of that finish rather than resent it.
There are 2 sides to every story-Even if you are so shortsighted as to see only one side, the other side still exists. The move up rules are based on the percentage of teams in your home state, whether you wish to ignore this fact or not. This is going to sound bad, but you do have stones. It takes a pair for a grown man to cry in public & I can respect that. I have no personal interest in what division your team plays or out of which state. Do whatever you want. I really don't care. I'm sure Linnemann was taking some heat & had to answer some questions about why your team is sanctioned where you are. So much so that he felt compelled to publicly explain. Good luck to the Backstabbers in 2007.

[YoungGuns]

sigh....i think the only asa we will see is the bash and metro?