Saturday April 28 BIG E 64 USSSA World Qualifier and Sunday Round Robins

[Pastime Park]

This Saturday, April 28th, at Pastime Park:

We are proud to be part of the 3rd annual CincySoftball.com BIG 64 USSSA Men's E World Qualifier!! 4 Paid USSSA World Berths!! Play minimum of 4 games!! $6,400 in Awards and Berths!! entry fee $175

More info or to enter call us 513-300-5246 or 513-367-0266


Sunday, April 29th, Pastime Park Round Robins (earn points to qualify for or Round Robin Championship Series, see www.pastimepark for World Series details) 3 games $115 Win Team Trophy and Pastime Park Tournament Champion T-Shirts!

Playball!!!!!!!!!

[S & T Softball]

Wat teams are in the big E 64 so far?

[EXP23]

Just wondering how the final standings in each bracket turned out.

[BREW 11]

first place bracket was wooster over playmakers 25-3
second place ITEX beat someone 8-7 in the bottom of the 7th
Third place Dixon Softball over Mother Hubbard like 12-6
I don't know about the 4th place bracket

[TBI24]

i think it was dino's over the railers :)

[cameron21]

thanks brew we can always count on you

[pluv69]

My only comment is how can a E team hit 10 or more home runs in one tourney. Can we say sandbagging.

[BackstabberSS]

Can there ever be a freaking tournament where someone doesn't get on here and cry about "sandbagging"? I am bored with it and its tired and old. Either improve your team or quit.

[EXP23]

I didn't see the team that is being talked about but talked too a friend and well respected umpire that umpired them and watched them play and he said there is no way they are E.

[pluv69]

well when you go down to have fun with some friends and play in a league that is meant to be fun and some what competitive. Then a team that comes in from out of town and hits 10 or more home runs and win the championship game 25-3 you call that not sandbagging.
The guys from the team even said they play USSSA D, "we don't even have an E league in our town".

[EXP23]

well when you go down to have fun with some friends and play in a league that is meant to be fun and some what competitive. Then a team that comes in from out of town and hits 10 or more home runs and win the championship game 25-3 you call that not sandbagging.
The guys from the team even said they play USSSA D, "we don't even have an E league in our town".

So I take it you are with Playmakers? Where are you guys from?

[pluv69]

No. They were from Wooster and I talked to them about their team. notice i quoted them talking about the E league.

[EXP23]

No. They were from Wooster and I talked to them about their team. notice i quoted them talking about the E league.

No, I knew who you were talking about, I was wondering if you played for Playmakers.

[BREW 11]

for that championship game and wooster is definately the very best E team I have seen around here. The way they played the last game they would have beate most local C teams. They did not hit a single homerun in the last game but they did hit piss missles anywhere they wanted to. Their D was great and they said they were missing their starting pitcher. I didn't see ant reason for them not to be an E team considering that is the kind of team we WILL see in Florida come Sept.

[stallings18]

Why in the World would you Get on here and complain about a team playing E that hit 10 hrs? That means you better have WON... If a E player hits a hr, He is offensively Ejected? If you couldn't win there is something wrong.. If you are complaining about teams around here, Don't even try to go to Nationals or think about going to WORLD you'll be highly disappointed.. Its competitive softball. Make your team better if you can't compete or stay in RECERATIONAL SOFTBALL.

[YoungGuns]

Why in the World would you Get on here and complain about a team playing E that hit 10 hrs? That means you better have WON... If a E player hits a hr, He is offensively Ejected? If you couldn't win there is something wrong.. If you are complaining about teams around here, Don't even try to go to Nationals or think about going to WORLD you'll be highly disappointed.. Its competitive softball. Make your team better if you can't compete or stay in RECERATIONAL SOFTBALL.

very well put!

[EXP23]

I am just shooting from the hip here but I don't think he meant there were 10 or more in the game they played them.

I don't care how many they hit, we didn't play them. A lot of people get carried away about homeruns but the fact is, if the team didn't pick up more than 3 D players they are legal. If you feel they have illegal players protest. Homeruns for outs aren't used when considering bumping a team to the next level.

[chillywilly777]

Their 6, 7, 9, and 10 hitters hit homeruns against us. Of course they weren't hit until they were up by 9 runs. I don't understand how people can defend a team that obviously at the very least should be playing D ball even if that is the type of team that plays in nationals or world. All that means is that they are all playing down 2 levels. If the best teams play E instead of D and C why even have classes in the first place? Just drop them altogether and make it a free for all. An E team shouldn't march through a tournament run ruling every team they face with ease and winning the championship 25-3. If they are that good they should move up.

[EXP23]

Their 6, 7, 9, and 10 hitters hit homeruns against us. Of course they weren't hit until they were up by 9 runs. I don't understand how people can defend a team that obviously at the very least should be playing D ball even if that is the type of team that plays in nationals or world. All that means is that they are all playing down 2 levels. If the best teams play E instead of D and C why even have classes in the first place? Just drop them altogether and make it a free for all. An E team shouldn't march through a tournament run ruling every team they face with ease and winning the championship 25-3. If they are that good they should move up.

Not defending them but most teams move up only when forced to do so by the rules. Well that or they jump the river like some others. I don't have a problem with an E team hitting homeruns if they have legal players, it is the teams that jump the river to avoid playing the level they should or teams picking up more than the amount of players from a higher class I have a problem with.

[Kess12]

Just because someone can hit Hrs doesn't mean anything about what league they should be playing. In fact to be a good D or E team you have to learn to keep the ball in the park!! Sounds like alot of crying on here. I think it is funny anytime a team walks though a tournament everyone cries that the team should be moved up, no one every saies we need to get better to compete. I guess everyone has to come up with a excuse as to why they didn't win!

[EXP23]

Yeah, like an invisible 2 run 4 base error that cleared the fence by 5 ft and you lose 10-8. Just kidding, by the way Playmakers, me going off on the umpire after the game over the call was not meant to take anything or blame the umpire for the loss. It was a good game you were the home team so you would have had a chance to win it regardless of that. I just had to let him know he needs to stick with his original call and not change when he has a team yelling at him.

It shows how much he was paying attention throwing me out after losing in single elimination and telling me I couldn't play the next game.

[cannonforanarm]

I'm relatively new to softball, but anyone can notice when a team is playing lower than they should be... until regulations become more strict, teams will be playing lower (because it is within their right to do so under current regulations). I've heard to win at the world or national level, you need to have a legit "C" team to win in E ball and you need a legit "B" team to win at the D level... in terms of this year, the only difference I see between E and D is playing in Florida in September (E World) or playing in "that state up north" (D World)...

[EXP23]

I'm relatively new to softball, but anyone can notice when a team is playing lower than they should be... until regulations become more strict, teams will be playing lower (because it is within their right to do so under current regulations). I've heard to win at the world or national level, you need to have a legit "C" team to win in E ball and you need a legit "B" team to win at the D level... in terms of this year, the only difference I see between E and D is playing in Florida in September (E World) or playing in "that state up north" (D World)...

The difference between D & E is in D you have to consistently put up more runs and you can get by with errors in E but D you make an error (for the most part no matter who you play) and you are going to pay a lot more.

[chillywilly777]

Just because someone can hit Hrs doesn't mean anything about what league they should be playing. In fact to be a good D or E team you have to learn to keep the ball in the park!! Sounds like alot of crying on here. I think it is funny anytime a team walks though a tournament everyone cries that the team should be moved up, no one every saies we need to get better to compete. I guess everyone has to come up with a excuse as to why they didn't win!


LMAO!! I guess the other 31 teams in the tournament who played each other competively need to get better so they can play competively with the one team that destroyed the field. Makes perfect sense!

[Wolfeja]

It was a good tournament. I didn't see any teams that were "unbeatable." It's softball, it's underhand, hit the ball catch the ball and throw the ball. It's pretty simple. If you can't do that, then you're not going to win...plain and simple. That holds true from Majors all the way down to Rec leagues. If you have to cry and moan beacuse you didn't win the berth, then don't show up at the next tournament, either because there will be one or two of the so called "unbeatable" teams in it too. I just hope that I'm playing for the next one. Go out and have fun...isn't that what it's all about anyway????

[EXP23]

Actually, I thought it was kind of weak at least at Queen City. We went 3-0 in our round robin and played like absolute crap. I really thought there were only 3 good teams at Queen City and 1 of them ended up in the second place bracket for single elimination.

[Wolfeja]

Hell, I wish we would have played there then. There were some pretty good teams at Pastime. Oh well, that's the luck of the draw I guess.

[Kess12]

LMAO!! I guess the other 31 teams in the tournament who played each other competively need to get better so they can play competively with the one team that destroyed the field. Makes perfect sense!

Now there is a thought.....GET BETTER. I am just tired of everyone crying about not winning a tournament because they think a team sandbagged!

[umfanec]

Actually, I thought it was kind of weak at least at Queen City. We went 3-0 in our round robin and played like absolute crap. I really thought there were only 3 good teams at Queen City and 1 of them ended up in the second place bracket for single elimination.

whatever, your weak. How can you go 3-0 and then let you outfielder give the other team a 4 basce error. I would kick that guy off my team, and when you do give him my number and tell him to call me.

[EXP23]

He is weak and he wears a backpack. I gave him your number, it is still 1-800-MAN-LOVE right?

[umfanec]

He is weak and he wears a backpack. I gave him your number, it is still 1-800-MAN-LOVE right?

No I changed it to 1-800-IMU-RDAD

[EXP23]

No I changed it to 1-800-IMU-RDAD

Shouldn't you be working?

[umfanec]

Shouldn't you be working?

I'm trying but you won't leave me alone.

[RB27]

This was copied from another site.
Wooster use to go by MAH/Graphics and Cherokee Builders. And by no means should a team that has played D and some C be allowed to play E.


"they were a very strong D team 2 and 3 years ago! i think they won the D state (ASA) in fairborn then finished 3rd the next year MAH/graphics (stampede)won it. "

Not that it matters to me, but who is the director that sant. these guys? He needs to be looked at for this.

[cameron21]

all i know is any team can be beat at any time and we just pick up some horse's and we will be right win it is all said and done

[Kess12]

D state (asa). So then they are playing where they should. I mean if you go to the metro and you are a E (USSSA) team you have to play D (ASA) and all the way up the line.

[RB27]

D state (asa). So then they are playing where they should. I mean if you go to the metro and you are a E (USSSA) team you have to play D (ASA) and all the way up the line.

It said 2-3 years ago. E is for new teams. And if you have played in the ASA D State at Fairborn you would know it's not E teams. More like C teams and high D teams that are borderline C.

No way should they still be/playing E PERIOD.

[chillywilly777]

D state (asa). So then they are playing where they should. I mean if you go to the metro and you are a E (USSSA) team you have to play D (ASA) and all the way up the line.

Kid22 did you see Wooster play? If so, then you and I have a real difference in opinion of what constitutes an E team. The very fact that they are being singled out on here means something about what an excellent team they are. Good and even great teams play E, excellent teams should play somewhere else.

[EXP23]

Kid22 did you see Wooster play? If so, then you and I have a real difference in opinion of what constitutes an E team. The very fact that they are being singled out on here means something about what an excellent team they are. Good and even great teams play E, excellent teams should play somewhere else.

States other than Ohio? I mean, when you go to world every other state gets by with it. Look at Indiana, every year a team that placed in the top 3-4 at Nationals is back in E the following year. I wish it didn't happen but that is the way it goes.

U-trip isn't going to sanction a team off of their ASA sanction.

E may have been started for new teams but with the dying out of the upper divisions and the addition of E World this is no longer true. Who would move up without being forced?

[RB27]

E may have been started for new teams but with the dying out of the upper divisions and the addition of E World this is no longer true. Who would move up without being forced?

I don't think the problem w/this team is about them being forced to move up, but the fact that they have played D/C in the past and been successful doesn't mean they should have been allowed to drop and play E.

[chillywilly777]

EXP23, your right! The difference between us is you have probably been around long enough to accept that fact, where as I have only been playing for two years on an E team and am not used to getting my brains beat in by C teams yet. I'm sure I will with time. :P

[61*]

Um yeah a few trips to the E world and you will get real used to it but best of luck to ya the rest of the season.

[BackstabberSS]

EXP23 give it a rest about the river....

[28SS]

I have to agree with BackstabberSS here....It's getting old to hear about sandbagging after every single event (Did I just say I agree with with BackstabberSS?). The fact of the matter is, the bigger the event &/or cash, the more risk of sandbagging. It's going to happen, PERIOD. Linnemann does a pretty good job around here, but most other places let their teams play anywhere they want, especially in Nationals & Worlds. In fact most area directors will let a C team play E-They want to have bragging rights about their area winning at the highest possible level. Is it right? Hell no. But it happens. You have got to learn to accept it. The teams in question are pretty easy to spot. My team takes pride in recognizing them & promptly sending them home. That's all you can do.

Also, the amount of home runs you hit have got nothing to do with the level at which you play. Of course an E team shouldn't hit 10 HRO's-that's why the offensive ejection rule is in place.

Good luck to everyone the rest of the season.

[roush2477]

ok... I played against Wooster in the Round Robin. We played like absolute crap and only lost by 6-7 runs (with 3 guys that haven't played all year!). Yes, they are a really sound team - but quit complaining about sandbagging. They did hit alot of HR for an E team, but we had 2 guys that hit them for outs as well. No offense to the Playmakers, but for a 1st Place Final 3 Runs is pathetic! You have to hit and score runs in softball.

[EXP23]

EXP23 give it a rest about the river....

Every time someone mentions river jumping you automatically think they are referring to only you. I am referring to the problem in general. Just making a point that is relevant in this discussion didn't mean to rub salt in an open wound.

[BackstabberSS]

Its really not an open wound... Its been over and done with for over a year now. Not to mention the only teams that have done it haven't won anything so I'm not sure how it was ever a "wound" in the first place.

[EXP23]

Its really not an open wound... Its been over and done with for over a year now. Not to mention the only teams that have done it haven't won anything so I'm not sure how it was ever a "wound" in the first place.

I know, just that when it is mentioned no need to defend it. I was using that as an example, good or bad. I was getting at both are "legal". From what I am hearing this team is allowed to play E. You can't go off what a team did 2 years ago.

Another example: Had Backstabbers took the bump to C, played out the season there and were not very competitive, would you not be allowed to drop back down to D the next year?

[umfanec]

Who would move up without being forced?

I would, I mean I did.....

[EXP23]

I would, I mean I did.....

But you are WE TAW DID!! lmao

[umfanec]

But you are WE TAW DID!! lmao

what, what, what!!!!!!

[RB27]

I know, just that when it is mentioned no need to defend it. I was using that as an example, good or bad. I was getting at both are "legal". From what I am hearing this team is allowed to play E. You can't go off what a team did 2 years ago.

Another example: Had Backstabbers took the bump to C, played out the season there and were not very competitive, would you not be allowed to drop back down to D the next year?

Maybe I'm the only one who thinks that "E" should be rec/beginners? and once you play "D" and are successful you shouldn't be allowed to drop back down w/basically the same roster you have been successful with. So I guess now if you can't win every tourney at a level you should be able to drop a class. Hell if that's the case we'll see you guys in "C" in June......LOL Cause apparently it doesn't matter. But I also think if this team were from the greater Cincy area there would be more complaining about them playing "E" then us playing "C". I just don't get the double standard sometimes from you guys.
You talk and talk about teams from Mich. or Up North sandbagging, and nothing gets done about it, but one of your own home town teams get a great team and win, you guys are the first to call Mark Linneman or Scott Kuhen or whoever and complain forever. Instead of supporting the a team that is good around here. Maybe it's cause you have to play this team every weekend and the team from up north or where ever maybe once or twice a year so you don't worry about them.

[EXP23]

If they wanted E to be for rec/beginners they would have never started an E World. I agree 100% that D teams should stay in D but that is not always the case and usually it is the opposite. And as far as if you can’t win every tourney at your level you should drop, that is the case more often than not.

As for Cincinnati area teams there would be more complaining, not from me. The ball comes in 5 mph, I really don’t care one way or another. I wouldn't call Mark if a team had an illegal roster, I would protest on the spot. The more homeruns they want to hit the better, I have 3 different pitchers that will serve them up meatballs all day long.

My problem isn’t with individual teams, but with teams that break the rules or find loopholes in the rules. The team in question isn't breaking a rule if they were sanctioned and had success at ASA D that is all I was saying.

I have always respected the game and played by the rules and can’t stand when other teams/players don’t. Thus the reason I have no problem protesting a game if a team picks up an illegal player.