the offical shaved bats thread

[ttf23]

How about laying down those doctored bats first boys, everyone knows there
is a crap load out there.
I for one was at certain persons house who works on bats and seen no less than
50 bats with the end caps off.
I been playing softball in greater Cincinnati for 25 years...there ain't that
many home run derbys around here that we need that many shaved bats running
the circuit.

[Loveless37]

How about laying down those doctored bats first boys, everyone knows there
is a crap load out there.
I for one was at certain persons house who works on bats and seen no less than
50 bats with the end caps off.
I been playing softball in greater Cincinnati for 25 years...there ain't that
many home run derbys around here that we need that many shaved bats running
the circuit.

So true. shaved bats are a huge problem

[kg4343]

How about laying down those doctored bats first boys, everyone knows there
is a crap load out there.
I for one was at certain persons house who works on bats and seen no less than
50 bats with the end caps off.
I been playing softball in greater Cincinnati for 25 years...there ain't that
many home run derbys around here that we need that many shaved bats running
the circuit.

Hmmm.... Well then maybe the solution to the problem should start with YOU..... I certainly don't know anyone who doctors bats, but I can gauran-damn-ty you that if I walked into a buddies house and found a Dr. shop for bats.... I would definitely say something!!!! So maybe you should either out this guy or let him know that he's potentially killing someone everytime he "works" on those bats..... Just a thought..... You exemplify the problem. A lot of people know the problem exists, but don't do anything about it when given the opportunity.....

[ttf23]

Hmmm.... Well then maybe the solution to the problem should start with YOU..... I certainly don't know anyone who doctors bats, but I can gauran-damn-ty you that if I walked into a buddies house and found a Dr. shop for bats.... I would definitely say something!!!! So maybe you should either out this guy or let him know that he's potentially killing someone everytime he "works" on those bats..... Just a thought..... You exemplify the problem. A lot of people know the problem exists, but don't do anything about it when given the opportunity.....


Don't make this about me not doing something to him, because what he is doing is perfectly
legal because he advertises it as for "home run derby use only" on E-bay...as do many others on there. And I did say something... but what can you do.

[wells21]

Then they should be banned in derby use! If this is trully the reason that "working" on bats is exceptable, then ban them all together! Let the HR derby guys use any ball they want, but for the interest of S-ball ban shaved bats all together

[Loveless37]

questions, comments, concerns, any and everything about shaved bats


I think they should be banned all together they are dangerous

[PS2]

They are banned I thought.....

[Loveless37]

They are banned I thought.....

I mean even in home run derbys so that way there will be no reason for them to get shaved.

[JHAMP]

I mean even in home run derbys so that way there will be no reason for them to get shaved.

I've never saw a HR Derby where the rules are feel free to swing a shaved stick. The most I've ever saw is hit whatever ball and whatever bat you want. But I guess a shaved stick is whatever bat you want.

[Loveless37]

I've never saw a HR Derby where the rules are feel free to swing a shaved stick. The most I've ever saw is hit whatever ball and whatever bat you want. But I guess a shaved stick is whatever bat you want.

well that is what sellers online advertise. it will say something along the lines of for home run derbys only. and yes I do believe swing any bat you want includes the shave ones.

[Crush26]

Yea , I know I've seen a shaved stealth on Ebay with a warning to only use it only in derbies not in game. So there co*K suckers out there selling em.

[EXP23]

Prosecute every SOB that gets caught with one.

[kg4343]

Don't make this about me not doing something to him, because what he is doing is perfectly
legal because he advertises it as for "home run derby use only" on E-bay...as do many others on there. And I did say something... but what can you do.

I never realized there was such a demand for "home run derby" bats...... Give me a break.... Yeah, it's technically legal what he's doing, but it's also completely unethical. Do you really believe he thinks more than 1 (if any) of those 50 bats he's working on will be used for exhibitions? Ummm.... no. Until people like him stop doing the work, the illegal bats will be floating around out there. Who spends $300 on a bat, only to have it altered so it can be used one weekend out of the year?

And Brett, I think this is just as important (if not more so) than the ball issue. Let's just allow a multi-content thread :)

[pigpen]

How about laying down those doctored bats first boys, everyone knows there
is a crap load out there.
I for one was at certain persons house who works on bats and seen no less than
50 bats with the end caps off.
I been playing softball in greater Cincinnati for 25 years...there ain't that
many home run derbys around here that we need that many shaved bats running
the circuit.


I would agree with this statement! When the managers/coaches address this issue, you wouldn't have to worry about the ball! Guys can say what they want but the difference between the Dudley and a new balls bought at the park is the Dudley last a whole game. The others are done in an inning! We all know the parks will not absorb that cost. But the parks would be glad to sell you a box for every game! There is a few parks that still supply the balls but how many complain about the ball after the new ball that starts the game is gone. Everything else from that point is league balls with several hundred hits on them, in some cases the water logged ball that was picked up a week later. JMO

[Loveless37]

Prosecute every SOB that gets caught with one.

I agree, well I do think the penalties for getting caught should be stiffer. like a zero tolerance rule where if you get caught one you are banned from the league for life.

[BT44]

Yea , I know I've seen a shaved stealth on Ebay with a warning to only use it only in derbies not in game. So there co*K suckers out there selling em.


Call me old fashioned, but I thought homerun derby's were to show your skill?Not how far you can hit a ball with a "cheater stick"? Some people will go to any length to cheat. I think the manufacturers ought to get back on online and start bringing litigation against these dirt bags.

[mjdato]

I for one was at certain persons house who works on bats and seen no less than 50 bats with the end caps off.Not saying anything makes you as guilty as he is, IMO.

I know no one who does this and if I did I would definitely be calling him out.

[chillywilly777]

I'm no engineer but is there a reason that the composites have removable caps and not one piece ends that are part of the bat itself and couldn't be removed without requiring the actual cutting of the bat?

[slamit93]

I'm no engineer but is there a reason that the composites have removable caps and not one piece ends that are part of the bat itself and couldn't be removed without requiring the actual cutting of the bat?

cost...

it's alot easier to smear some epoxy on a plastic cap and snap it in the hole at the end than to mold composite materials to fill the end...

Rather than going that route, I think the endcaps should be made screw in, or be somehow more easily removed so if needed, the end cap could just be taken off and the inside of the bat inspected.... I'm sure there are probably safety concerns involved with this though...

[ttf23]

Not saying anything makes you as guilty as he is, IMO.

I know no one who does this and if I did I would definitely be calling him out.

You should have read all the posts...
I did say something to him, and most everyone knows who I'm talking about.
Yes, it is his business to do what he does.
Yes, it is unethical.
But there is no law against having a shaved bat as long as you don't use it in a game.

Bring back the single walls...problem solved

[UFreak]

cost...

it's alot easier to smear some epoxy on a plastic cap and snap it in the hole at the end than to mold composite materials to fill the end...

Rather than going that route, I think the endcaps should be made screw in, or be somehow more easily removed so if needed, the end cap could just be taken off and the inside of the bat inspected.... I'm sure there are probably safety concerns involved with this though...

Use painted screws,...if the ink has been cracked, bat is no good.....simple. Safety reason!...ha!...YEAH, the irony there is a shaved bat isn't safe!

The bat companies don't care!...If a dude dies as a result of a hot batted ball, they'd probably use that in their advertising rather than be concerned about it!.....Fact is, they want to make it easier for you to do this, not harder....a shaved bat needs to be replaced more often!

Make the bat manufacturer's liable, like lawyers make the gun companies liable for mis-use. THEN, maybe change will come....maybe, but even then, the cheaters will go another way....

[chug149]

My biggest question is how do you go about proving someone is using a shaved bat. In my eyes many times it is very obvious. We played a team at Rumpkey earlier this season and it was completely obvious that the Synergy Extended they were using was shaved. The sound of the bat was way off and the ball just took off when hit no matter who was swinging it (There whole team kept swinging this bat even with ten other bats sitting in the dug out). If it had been another bat I may not have been so sure, but our team has 3 or 4 of them in the dugout none of which sound anything like this bat did. So how do you do anything about it, and prove it?

[JHAMP]

My biggest question is how do you go about proving someone is using a shaved bat. In my eyes many times it is very obvious. We played a team at Rumpkey earlier this season and it was completely obvious that the Synergy Extended they were using was shaved. The sound of the bat was way off and the ball just took off when hit no matter who was swinging it (There whole team kept swinging this bat even with ten other bats sitting in the dug out). If it had been another bat I may not have been so sure, but our team has 3 or 4 of them in the dugout none of which sound anything like this bat did. So how do you do anything about it, and prove it?

I would say your right but not necessarily. A very well broken in bat, especially an Extended, the ball will be flying off the bat no matter who uses it. Also, if the bat has a slight crack in it the ball will sound completely different coming off of it. So just because you see and hear stuff like that doesn't mean it's shaved.

I had an Extended with a crack in it and when hit it sounded like you were hitting a watermelon but it still hit seeds.

But really there is one way to tell if it's been shaved, and that's by opening it up.

[iplayeball]

and what umpire around these parts, or any area can JUST LOOK at a bat and tell if its been altered or not? Answer is NONE. it needs to be sent off and taken apart. A good bat dr. worth his salt would never send you a bat back if you could look at it and see if its been altered.

[huntinfred]

In addition to shaved bats ... isn't it also true that Bats provided to teams that are given Bat deals are usually hotter then what we can buy in the store ? I have no prove of this, but I have heard this many times. Back in the day I won a bat in a raffle from the "Louisville Lawmen". It was a Richs Superior Green model, and it was the hottest TPS I had ever used. I have also had people from these teams tell me that the bats they used were hotter. Is this the case ?

[YoungGuns]

In addition to shaved bats ... isn't it also true that Bats provided to teams that are given Bat deals are usually hotter then what we can buy in the store ? I have no prove of this, but I have heard this many times. Back in the day I won a bat in a raffle from the "Louisville Lawmen". It was a Richs Superior Green model, and it was the hottest TPS I had ever used. I have also had people from these teams tell me that the bats they used were hotter. Is this the case ?

your speaking of a "player model" bat???

I'm wondering the same thing.....

my thoughts on this....

last year I was "accused" of swinging a shaved cnt+ ....MY NAME IS TRISTAN YOUNG BOARD NAME ON HERE IS YOUNGGUNS..If you know me and know my fiance you know my love for softball I play 6 nights a week for a reason I LOVE THE GAME and people that think I'd swing a shaved stick can go suck one FOR REAL (sorry had to put this out there b/c ALOT of the people who did finger pointing to me are on this site and you know who you are)..i think its funny to have people accuse me of this when the bat I was swinging was a cnt+ a bat that is USED I dropped 325 dollars on. I had probably 15+ people say man you never hit like that 3 years ago. Well if I would have known more about bats My first bat purchase wouldnt have been a Demarini Steel lol. When that bat broke I got a rec't for it sent it in the easton and got a 27oz easton helmer 08+ in return. I took the bat to worlds with me as well. People dont realize how hot ALOT of the bats easton, worth make are...what happened when my cnt+ broke last year? I got on sbf and bought another one. The stick is the hottest IMO in Utrip BY FAR.

[BT44]

In addition to shaved bats ... isn't it also true that Bats provided to teams that are given Bat deals are usually hotter then what we can buy in the store ? I have no prove of this, but I have heard this many times. Back in the day I won a bat in a raffle from the "Louisville Lawmen". It was a Richs Superior Green model, and it was the hottest TPS I had ever used. I have also had people from these teams tell me that the bats they used were hotter. Is this the case ?

I think "back in the day" manufacturers would customize bats for their players, by adding end load or taking some out for guys that wanted a more balanced feel to their bat.I know Harold Nichols used to do this for the TPS teams.
Today, all manufacturers swear there is no such thing as a "Team Bat" anymore. The say the same bats they give to there teams are the same as you can but off the shelf.With the composite era, the bats are hot right out of the wrapper, so there is no real need to tweak them.

BTW...those Ritch's Superior bats were just sick! They didn't last long though, they were thin as thin gets.This was aslo before the bat standards were put into place.

[huntinfred]

I told you it was back in the day. Bob this is Jimmy Spears. I remember when we all first got those Silver TPS bats. I thought I was in heaven. Back when you had to crush one to hit it out. Old school Softball at its best .... how bout them Freebird Uniforms Bob ? Sorry had to mention them

[BT44]

I told you it was back in the day. Bob this is Jimmy Spears. I remember when we all first got those Silver TPS bats. I thought I was in heaven. Back when you had to crush one to hit it out. Old school Softball at its best .... how bout them Freebird Uniforms Bob ? Sorry had to mention them


Jimmy! Hey at the time we thought they were "cool".I look back on them and go "What the hell were we thinking?". I was just talking to Terry Jackson about that very thing Saturday..funny stuff.
I remember those bats well, when I graduated to a Black & Gold TPS, I thought I hit the lottery.
When you get to be our age Jimmy, most everything happened "back in the day". Hopefully I'll see you around the field at some point this year.

[BB61]

Hell, I thought I was in heaven with a "Meat Head" Bombat - 36 ounce. Times have changed. That's for sure.

[BT44]

Hell, I thought I was in heaven with a "Meat Head" Bombat - 36 ounce. Times have changed. That's for sure.


If you're talking FIRST bat.....38 oz Worth Thumper...Delhi Park Friday Nights! Man we sucked...LOL!

[DirtyOne55]

If you need to used a bat that is altered in any way to hit better in a game..... swallow your pride, learn how to hit base hits or hit the gym and the cages and hit the home runs legit. If you need one for a homerun competition, why dont ya just sit out and watch the people compete who can do it fairly.

[BB61]

Amen! That's how all us "old timers" did it. Only a special few could hit the ball out of the park.

[britton35]

i say go back to wooden bats lol

[Skiiness]

Why even shave them anymore?? It's not like the bats they make right now arent good enough. Any USSSA bat doesnt need to be altered. If your having trouble getting distance or velocity out of your USSSA bat then hit the gym. Or buy a better bat lol! Obviously your not going to get much distance out of a $50 special from Dicks, although some can!

[AROD13]

How about laying down those doctored bats first boys, everyone knows there
is a crap load out there.
I for one was at certain persons house who works on bats and seen no less than
50 bats with the end caps off.
I been playing softball in greater Cincinnati for 25 years...there ain't that
many home run derbys around here that we need that many shaved bats running
the circuit.

If you seen that many bats at someone's house your just as guilty for not turning him in.

[LBlack14]

Yehhti, Sasquatch, Bigfoot, Lockness Monster and little green men from outer space....they all exsist to!

The problems with local softball started at the top with the 2 headed monster. I think you ALL know who I'm talkin 'bout. "The Untouchables" that everyone (not anyone with any sense) praises as SAINTS for the game. My F***ing A$$!!!

God, how I loved this game. Lived, ate, slept and breathed it for over 20 years. Now money and corrupt money hungry, so called, leaders have ruined it.

Now I don't miss all the political B*LL SH*T at ALL.

Question: How do you win 2-3 NITs 1 year and still play in the same division the next? Your player classification list is absolutely worthless.
A perfect example is the B*LL SH*T that happened to Cousins Construction a couple weeks ago!!!

Sorry for the partial ThreadJack.

[BigBanger]

My biggest question is how do you go about proving someone is using a shaved bat. In my eyes many times it is very obvious. We played a team at Rumpkey earlier this season and it was completely obvious that the Synergy Extended they were using was shaved. The sound of the bat was way off and the ball just took off when hit no matter who was swinging it (There whole team kept swinging this bat even with ten other bats sitting in the dug out). If it had been another bat I may not have been so sure, but our team has 3 or 4 of them in the dugout none of which sound anything like this bat did. So how do you do anything about it, and prove it?

Some "bat doctors" end load the bats with BBs or lead weights. In these instances you can use a magnet to tell if it has been endloaded and usually shaving goes along with an enload. You can also use a magnet to tell if the steel rod has been taken out of the handle, which is illegal also. I can tell if a bat is shaved by watching the bat speed generated and how far the ball goes. If you are in a USSSA game and someone pulls out a ASA bat (with USSSA available) and hits a bomb, 8 times out of 10 that will be a shaved bat. Another sign of a shaved bat is when it is picked up right after someone has used it, they are afraid the catcher will somehow know it is shaved (with out a doubt I have seen this in action). And you are right if there is a lot of other bats in the dugout (we will say around 6 good bats) and the whole team is using this same bat it is probably shaved. You can't prove it yet these bats are in every big tournament I have watched or been in. With experience, you just know who is swinging them.

[bamfwic]

we played a team from south carolina last year and the bat never left the box!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Booger00]

I'm not a finger pointer. But when your in a USSSA touney and your hitting piss rockets with an ASA bat. Your telling on yourself! Keep that in mind the next time your playing in a NIT.

[iplayeball]

I'm not a finger pointer. But when your in a USSSA touney and your hitting piss rockets with an ASA bat. Your telling on yourself! Keep that in mind the next time your playing in a NIT.

I 100% DISAGREE......I have soem asa sticks with tons of swings on them that are unreal hot....Not to mention most ASA bats are balanced and I prefer a balanced bat. ASA has some hot stick sout there, you just have to get a few thousand swings on them, the reason you dont see more is most bats break before they get a few thousand swings on them. I know what you were trying to point out just dont go finger pointing a guy swinging an ASA bat at a USSSA tourny unless you are sure.

[phatneff]

I 100% DISAGREE......I have soem asa sticks with tons of swings on them that are unreal hot....Not to mention most ASA bats are balanced and I prefer a balanced bat. ASA has some hot stick sout there, you just have to get a few thousand swings on them, the reason you dont see more is most bats break before they get a few thousand swings on them. I know what you were trying to point out just dont go finger pointing a guy swinging an ASA bat at a USSSA tourny unless you are sure.

I agree with this, too. I will actually use my ASA bat now since my USSSA bat has a crack. I don't like using other people's bats unless it is the same as mine. In my case, only one other person on my team has a 585 and I don't like it because it has too much pine tar on it!! So, I'll break out my ASA NRG and swing that. That certainly doesn't mean that it is shaved or doctored. NOW, if you see everyone else on my team using it, then you can probably make that assumption.

[BT44]

I agree with this, too. I will actually use my ASA bat now since my USSSA bat has a crack. I don't like using other people's bats unless it is the same as mine. In my case, only one other person on my team has a 585 and I don't like it because it has too much pine tar on it!! So, I'll break out my ASA NRG and swing that. That certainly doesn't mean that it is shaved or doctored. NOW, if you see everyone else on my team using it, then you can probably make that assumption.


Maybe we all want to be just like you!

You act like it's the first time you've had something sticky in your hand??

[phatneff]

You act like it's the first time you've had something sticky in your hand??


Whoa!! Easy, buddy!! Remember, I dated a girl that looks like your wife. It's awfully lonely out here in Cali right now........you never know what's going through my head (both of them)!!! LOL!!

[BT44]

Whoa!! Easy, buddy!! Remember, I dated a girl that looks like your wife. It's awfully lonely out here in Cali right now........you never know what's going through my head (both of them)!!! LOL!!


I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.....


What? No "California Love"

[UFreak]

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.....

What? No "California Love"

He's headed for the "OC" later in the day.....

[phatneff]

What? No "California Love"

It's only been two days! Although, the HR girl who just gave me my badge was pretty hot!

[JHAMP]

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.....


What? No "California Love"
From what I hear he wanted his initial FA out there!!

[phatneff]

That's enough!

[The_Natural]

Prosecute every SOB that gets caught with one.

You may want to check one of the Miken 585 on your team then.

Some "bat doctors" end load the bats with BBs or lead weights. In these instances you can use a magnet to tell if it has been endloaded and usually shaving goes along with an enload. You can also use a magnet to tell if the steel rod has been taken out of the handle, which is illegal also. I can tell if a bat is shaved by watching the bat speed generated and how far the ball goes. If you are in a USSSA game and someone pulls out a ASA bat (with USSSA available) and hits a bomb, 8 times out of 10 that will be a shaved bat. Another sign of a shaved bat is when it is picked up right after someone has used it, they are afraid the catcher will somehow know it is shaved (with out a doubt I have seen this in action). And you are right if there is a lot of other bats in the dugout (we will say around 6 good bats) and the whole team is using this same bat it is probably shaved. You can't prove it yet these bats are in every big tournament I have watched or been in. With experience, you just know who is swinging them.

I'm not a finger pointer. But when your in a USSSA touney and your hitting piss rockets with an ASA bat. Your telling on yourself! Keep that in mind the next time your playing in a NIT.

Just b/c someone swings an ASA bat in USSSA doesn't mean ****.:mad: I have an OG Flex that is very hot and has about 1000 swings on it. It doesn't have anything done just good hard swings. So if anyone wants to point fingers at me in a USSSA tourney then pony up the cash and we will have it tested. Here I will attach a pic so you know what a legit ASA bat looks like. And just incase you can't figure out which one it is it's the bottom bat.:rolleyes:

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh65/bpain05/HPIM0332.jpg

[SW52]

You may want to check one of the Miken 585 on your team then.





Just b/c someone swings an ASA bat in USSSA doesn't mean ****. I have an OG Flex that is very hot and has about 1000 swings on it. It doesn't have anything done just good hard swings. So if anyone wants to point fingers at me in a USSSA tourney then pony up the cash and we will have it tested.

While the Synergy2 is no longer legal in ASA, it's still viewed by many as an ASA bat. I've been swinging one for the last 3 years because it fits my swing better than anything else. It's also durable, so I don't have to worry about blowing it up in BP.

[The_Natural]

While the Synergy2 is no longer legal in ASA, it's still viewed by many as an ASA bat. I've been swinging one for the last 3 years because it fits my swing better than anything else. It's also durable, so I don't have to worry about blowing it up in BP.

Yeah, some of these tards on here need to think before they speak. ASA bats aren't that far off USSSA bats.

[herts9]

Yeah, some of these tards on here need to think before they speak. ASA bats aren't that far off USSSA bats.

Not when they look like and perform like yours! :)

[The_Natural]

Not when they look like and perform like yours! :)

That's what they look like when your a softball huer:)

[bjpierson24]

That's what they look like when your a softball huer:)

Pretty sure he was meaning the results coming off the bats, not their appearance! ;)

[ttf23]

If you seen that many bats at someone's house your just as guilty for not turning him in.


Who am I going to turn him into Einstein?
What he's do is legal...unethical yes, but legal non the less.

Like I said, everyone knows who I'm talking about.

[ttf23]

I'm not a finger pointer. But when your in a USSSA touney and your hitting piss rockets with an ASA bat. Your telling on yourself! Keep that in mind the next time your playing in a NIT.


Your kidding right?
Guess you never swung an OG Extended have ya???

[BT44]

Who am I going to turn him into Einstein?
What he's do is legal...unethical yes, but legal non the less.

Like I said, everyone knows who I'm talking about.

Not exactly true...

ASA has brought litigation against a couple of these doctors under the copyright infringement laws.

[The_Natural]

Pretty sure he was meaning the results coming off the bats, not their appearance! ;)

Talk to Wessel about that. I was hitting seeds by his infielders last night.:)

[phatneff]

Who am I going to turn him into Einstein?
What he's do is legal...unethical yes, but legal non the less.

Like I said, everyone knows who I'm talking about.

False. In the USSSA rule book, it states that bats cannot be altered in anyway, which includes "hitting them against a tree or a light pole in order to break them in". Look it up.

[28SS]

I haven't read through all of the posts, so I'll start fresh. I've been playing since I graduated high school in 1987. The game is entirely different now & in many ways. The thing I've noticed the past 2 years in particular, is that guys who used to to hit lazy popups are now hitting it out 320'. These same guys would hit weak grounders that are now scorched through the infield. These guys couldn't hit with an original Freak, but now they can saw the ball in half? Generally guys don't pick up that kind of bat speed & totally change their power game in their mid-30's. I'm not saying it's impossible, but I've got my eyes on a few people.

When Danney Saylor & ASA pissed everyone off by changing bat standards mid-season a few years back, they did it for the safety of the players in the game. Right now, it's far worse & by a long shot. Not to mention some of the newcomers to the game that get a kick out of blasting one back at the pitcher. Something needs to be done this season before someone gets killed......

[ttf23]

False. In the USSSA rule book, it states that bats cannot be altered in anyway, which includes "hitting them against a tree or a light pole in order to break them in". Look it up.

You are correct, but only if they are used in a game are the deemed illegal.
It's not illegel to have a shaved bat if you "don't" use it.
There are a ton of people shaving bats on E-bay, and around here.
You'd think if it was illegel they probably wouldn't be advertising their services.

[BT44]

You are correct, but only if they are used in a game are the deemed illegal.
It's not illegel to have a shaved bat if you "don't" use it.
There are a ton of people shaving bats on E-bay, and around here.
You'd think if it was illegel they probably wouldn't be advertising their services.



I don't know man, STUPID knows no boundaries.I just have a hard time believing that a guy would carry around a shaved stick in his bag for, "Homerun Derby's".

[28SS]

I don't know man, STUPID knows no boundaries.I just have a hard time believing that a guy would carry around a shaved stick in his bag for, "Homerun Derby's".


I agree 100%. Just because they're advertised to be used in "exhibitions only", doesn't mean they don't get used in games.

[phatneff]

Exactly, and what's the point of altering the bat if you're not going to use it?? Are you going to mount it in your trophy room??

[Cowboy]

Are you going to mount it in your trophy room??

Hey now, what you and your bat do in trophy room is strictly private!!!!

[wells21]

HILARIOUS!

[phatneff]

Hey now, what you and your bat do in trophy room is strictly private!!!!

Touche`, Cowboy.......touche`!!!

[Dirty]

with all this talk about shaved bats...dont any of you find it funny that there is a link on the main page of cincysoftball.com advertising shaved and rolled bats???

[herts9]

with all this talk about shaved bats...dont any of you find it funny that there is a link on the main page of cincysoftball.com advertising shaved and rolled bats???

good eye!

[phatneff]

with all this talk about shaved bats...dont any of you find it funny that there is a link on the main page of cincysoftball.com advertising shaved and rolled bats???

ummm, uh, yeah. read my other posts.

[Dirty]

theres way too many!!!

[UFreak]

with all this talk about shaved bats...dont any of you find it funny that there is a link on the main page of cincysoftball.com advertising shaved and rolled bats???

THEY SHAVE BATS AT TIGER FITNESS??????....man, "V"......NoXplode AND a shave?

[phatneff]

You may want to check one of the Miken 585 on your team then.





Just b/c someone swings an ASA bat in USSSA doesn't mean ****.:mad: I have an OG Flex that is very hot and has about 1000 swings on it. It doesn't have anything done just good hard swings. So if anyone wants to point fingers at me in a USSSA tourney then pony up the cash and we will have it tested. Here I will attach a pic so you know what a legit ASA bat looks like. And just incase you can't figure out which one it is it's the bottom bat.:rolleyes:

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh65/bpain05/HPIM0332.jpg


Hmmmm, it looks to me that ALL of those bats are illegal due to the tapered handle!! I know that's illegal in one of the associations, and it may be in both!! So either way, there is definitely an illegal bat in that mix!

[The_Natural]

Hmmmm, it looks to me that ALL of those bats are illegal due to the tapered handle!! I know that's illegal in one of the associations, and it may be in both!! So either way, there is definitely an illegal bat in that mix!

it's only illegal in ASA but thanks, and most of if not all the ASA umps don't give a **** about the tapers

[phatneff]

it's only illegal in ASA but thanks, and most of if not all the ASA umps don't give a **** about the tapers

just like most, if not all, umps don't give a sh.t about altered bats.

[The_Natural]

just like most, if not all, umps don't give a sh.t about altered bats.

that taper won't add any mph to the ball I hit though....it is only for comfort

[phatneff]

that taper won't add any mph to the ball I hit though....it is only for comfort

I beg to differ. Sure, it's for comfort. And when you are comfortable swinging the bat, what does that do for you? Allow you to hit it harder?? Yep.

The reason why tapering is banned is for that reason you falsely stated in that last post. It WILL add mph to the ball being it because it allows the batter to "extend" the bat length, which in turn makes the whip action faster, and ultimately makes the ball come off the bat harder and faster.

Most "power" hitters extend the bat with/without the taper by placing their fingers below the knob. The taper makes it more "comfortable" to do so.

Thanks for proving yourself wrong.

[The_Natural]

I beg to differ. Sure, it's for comfort. And when you are comfortable swinging the bat, what does that do for you? Allow you to hit it harder?? Yep.

The reason why tapering is banned is for that reason you falsely stated in that last post. It WILL add mph to the ball being it because it allows the batter to "extend" the bat length, which in turn makes the whip action faster, and ultimately makes the ball come off the bat harder and faster.

Most "power" hitters extend the bat with/without the taper by placing their fingers below the knob. The taper makes it more "comfortable" to do so.

Thanks for proving yourself wrong.

my bad, that is the way I swing and I am not a big power hitter.....but I hit the ball just as hard with or without the taper it just allows more comfort......besides adding a taper is way different than shaving a bat...but thanks for the info

who do you play for?

[Skiiness]

I was unaware of the "tapering" rule in ASA. If those are illegal then why arent wrapped handles illegal? Guys that remove the original grip and add their own tape or wrap? Is that not also altering a bat. I dont necessarily think that it would "improve" bat speed, I think a thinner handle would do that. Everyones hands are different though.

[phatneff]

I was unaware of the "tapering" rule in ASA. If those are illegal then why arent wrapped handles illegal? Guys that remove the original grip and add their own tape or wrap? Is that not also altering a bat. I dont necessarily think that it would "improve" bat speed, I think a thinner handle would do that. Everyones hands are different though.

That might be a valid question, but I think taping isn't considered altering a bat (nor really is tapering a handle). But it could probably be that the thickness of a handle doesn't have a big difference on bat speed as it does extending the length of the bat. Yes, people have different sizes of hands, but a few millimeter difference in thickness of a handle probably won't do much.

[phatneff]

who do you play for?

if you don't know this, you need to catch up on your messageboard reading.

[DistantOnlooker]

Obviously this is a subject on message boards across the country... We caught wind up in Minnesota of the guy who got smoked in the face last week (www.sportsrubes.com). Hopefully he is doing better every day.

But, I find it funny that you guys are talking about how you want to clean up the game yet one of the big suppliers of shaved bats on EBay is from your own back yard (galenl2005). If you truly want to help out softball the guy doing this and anybody who has purchased a bat from him should be called out. Forget the stupid disclaimers in my opinion you nullify the disclaimer because, you have to be an idiot to think people aren't using these things illegally.

Suspension is nothing... Until the sponsors start getting sued for this stuff nothing will change. I don't care if your sponsor has knowledge of it or not. It is there name on your jersey therefore they are responsible for the actions of that individual. Just like a company and its employees.

To many Egos in softball for this to stop any time soon.... my two cents

[The_Natural]

if you don't know this, you need to catch up on your messageboard reading.

that is why I was asking I don't talk much on here. So who?

[phatneff]

Good point about the sponsors.

As for the guy selling them in our backyard, I'll bet most of his bats get sent out of the area.

[phatneff]

that is why I was asking I don't talk much on here. So who?

24 posts are more than many people. CincySoftball

[The_Natural]

24 posts are more than many people. CincySoftball

o ok I am retarded.....so what does your avatar say?

[phatneff]

Damn You Got Knocked The F*** Out

[The_Natural]

Damn You Got Knocked The F*** Out

o ok I looked forever and couldn't figure it out......Where or did you guys play last weekend?

[phatneff]

Eggleston

[The_Natural]

Eggleston

ok, there was a Cincinnti Softball at Expressway this past weekend that we played

[Larks]

ok, there was a Cincinnti Softball at Expressway this past weekend that we played

Thats not us.

[phatneff]

ok, there was a Cincinnti Softball at Expressway this past weekend that we played

you sure about that? we don't sponsor another team. or was someone wearing a cincysoftball.com hat?

[The_Natural]

you sure about that? we don't sponsor another team. or was someone wearing a cincysoftball.com hat?

They were wearing Dri-Fit shirts that said that

[phatneff]

what exactly did the shirts say? what color? what tournament was this?

[The_Natural]

what exactly did the shirts say? what color? what tournament was this?

Cincinnati Softball, can't remember what else......they were White shirts with red letters.....I think it was an C-D-E Nat/State Qualifier

[phatneff]

Ok, that's not the same.

[The_Natural]

Ok, that's not the same.

o ok....what level do you guys play?

[JHAMP]

o ok....what level do you guys play?

C